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		<title>By: Arizona Atheist</title>
		<link>http://blog.evangelicalrealism.com/2009/01/27/tia-tuesday-wrapping-up/comment-page-1/#comment-129533</link>
		<dc:creator>Arizona Atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 05:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I’d give you a heads up. I was recently contacted by Vox who read my review of his book and said that he is planning an e-book response to reviews of his book, including mine, yours, and Kelly’s from the RRS. I’m very curious what his replies will be...I just hope he leaves the insults at the door. I was polite to Vox in my review...I do not feel like being needlessly insulted (hell, I’ve had more than enough of that by Christians anyway. Don’t need any more).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I’d give you a heads up. I was recently contacted by Vox who read my review of his book and said that he is planning an e-book response to reviews of his book, including mine, yours, and Kelly’s from the RRS. I’m very curious what his replies will be&#8230;I just hope he leaves the insults at the door. I was polite to Vox in my review&#8230;I do not feel like being needlessly insulted (hell, I’ve had more than enough of that by Christians anyway. Don’t need any more).</p>
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		<title>By: Arizona Atheist</title>
		<link>http://blog.evangelicalrealism.com/2009/01/27/tia-tuesday-wrapping-up/comment-page-1/#comment-117432</link>
		<dc:creator>Arizona Atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 16:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished reading each one of the posts in your rebuttal of Vox Day. Not bad at all. I find it hilarious how Vox announced his plans to thoroughly refute your counter-arguments but then just seemed to forget about it... 

Speaking of Vox, I recently finished (well, close enough) my chapter by chapter rebuttal of the book and I found some of the same flaws as you, though I found some you didn’t seem to catch. Two examples, if memory serves, are Vox’s claim that Harris’ examples of religious wars are  actually not religious in nature are false. The fact is if you research those conflicts, they are religious, at least in part. 

Vox’s FBI statistics proving that religious doesn’t cause much conflict is also false. In fact, Vox distorted what the New Atheists were arguing and fudged the stats. The fact is religion in the second leading cause of hate crime, and not just in 2005, the date of the stats he cited. 

If you’d like to take a look at my contribution and give your opinion I’d really appreciate it.

http://arizonaatheist.blogspot.com/2011/02/irrational-atheist-refutation.html

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished reading each one of the posts in your rebuttal of Vox Day. Not bad at all. I find it hilarious how Vox announced his plans to thoroughly refute your counter-arguments but then just seemed to forget about it&#8230; </p>
<p>Speaking of Vox, I recently finished (well, close enough) my chapter by chapter rebuttal of the book and I found some of the same flaws as you, though I found some you didn’t seem to catch. Two examples, if memory serves, are Vox’s claim that Harris’ examples of religious wars are  actually not religious in nature are false. The fact is if you research those conflicts, they are religious, at least in part. </p>
<p>Vox’s FBI statistics proving that religious doesn’t cause much conflict is also false. In fact, Vox distorted what the New Atheists were arguing and fudged the stats. The fact is religion in the second leading cause of hate crime, and not just in 2005, the date of the stats he cited. </p>
<p>If you’d like to take a look at my contribution and give your opinion I’d really appreciate it.</p>
<p><a href="http://arizonaatheist.blogspot.com/2011/02/irrational-atheist-refutation.html" rel="nofollow">http://arizonaatheist.blogspot.com/2011/02/irrational-atheist-refutation.html</a></p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: bon tobias</title>
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		<dc:creator>bon tobias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 01:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deacon Duncan saith:
&quot;Yes, that’s right. Humility is the reason he’s flaunting his personal religion, drawing attention to himself apart from his team, and setting himself up for the mass public adulation of millions of Christians who aren’t necessarily even soccer fans, in addition to the acclaim he’s going to collect from sports fans in general.&quot;

Maybe he should also stop &quot;flaunting&quot; HIS ATHLETIC SKILLS as well, drawing attention to himself apart from his team, and setting himself up for the mass public adulation of EVERYBODY...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deacon Duncan saith:<br />
&#8220;Yes, that’s right. Humility is the reason he’s flaunting his personal religion, drawing attention to himself apart from his team, and setting himself up for the mass public adulation of millions of Christians who aren’t necessarily even soccer fans, in addition to the acclaim he’s going to collect from sports fans in general.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe he should also stop &#8220;flaunting&#8221; HIS ATHLETIC SKILLS as well, drawing attention to himself apart from his team, and setting himself up for the mass public adulation of EVERYBODY&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: R. C. Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. C. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 15:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vox Day is glib, not intelligent.  The ability to generate enormous amounts of speech which seem to speak to a point is a talent (I consider Rush Limbaugh one of the best at this), but it appeals only those wishing to rehearse their own prejudices.

The content is unable to meet the standards of the most basic logical or empirical analysis.

It is often difficult (because I too like to have my biases confirmed), but I try hard to not confuse glibness with intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vox Day is glib, not intelligent.  The ability to generate enormous amounts of speech which seem to speak to a point is a talent (I consider Rush Limbaugh one of the best at this), but it appeals only those wishing to rehearse their own prejudices.</p>
<p>The content is unable to meet the standards of the most basic logical or empirical analysis.</p>
<p>It is often difficult (because I too like to have my biases confirmed), but I try hard to not confuse glibness with intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: Jor-El</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jor-El</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 08:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Vox is obviously an intelligent guy, but his intelligence is all raw. He has only allowed his mind to be shaped by those who he already agreed with, and that is a terrible waste.&quot;

Initially I thought this as well.  Then I read some of his stuff and analyzed some of his beliefs.  He often flummoxes himself with his own illogic; he has grave objections to evolution without understanding it; he thinks global warming is bunk without knowing the first thing about climate science and he think women should be demoted and deprived of suffrage because of a bizarre economic theory.  These are not the ideas of an intelligent man.  Theodore Beale is a stupid ignoramus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Vox is obviously an intelligent guy, but his intelligence is all raw. He has only allowed his mind to be shaped by those who he already agreed with, and that is a terrible waste.&#8221;</p>
<p>Initially I thought this as well.  Then I read some of his stuff and analyzed some of his beliefs.  He often flummoxes himself with his own illogic; he has grave objections to evolution without understanding it; he thinks global warming is bunk without knowing the first thing about climate science and he think women should be demoted and deprived of suffrage because of a bizarre economic theory.  These are not the ideas of an intelligent man.  Theodore Beale is a stupid ignoramus.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter McKellar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter McKellar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 23:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks for the sacrifice Deacon.  I never would have wasted my own time - but I too loved your commentary and take downs.

Like another reader, I must thank Vox for existing, without his pusillanimous rants I never would have found the link to this site - his by comparison is a &quot;register to comment&quot; blog with the apparent regular commenters probably overwhelmed with their cleverness at managing the registration process.  That&#039;s one big quagmire of teh stoopid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks for the sacrifice Deacon.  I never would have wasted my own time &#8211; but I too loved your commentary and take downs.</p>
<p>Like another reader, I must thank Vox for existing, without his pusillanimous rants I never would have found the link to this site &#8211; his by comparison is a &#8220;register to comment&#8221; blog with the apparent regular commenters probably overwhelmed with their cleverness at managing the registration process.  That&#8217;s one big quagmire of teh stoopid.</p>
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		<title>By: valdemar</title>
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		<dc:creator>valdemar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Treat yourself to some good books, now. Well done.</description>
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		<title>By: Modusoperandi</title>
		<link>http://blog.evangelicalrealism.com/2009/01/27/tia-tuesday-wrapping-up/comment-page-1/#comment-6786</link>
		<dc:creator>Modusoperandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos on the Vox depantsing...not that he&#039;d admit it or provide a rebuttal of his own. Since he&#039;s Dawkins &quot;flea&quot;, and you&#039;re his, is Dawkins yours?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos on the Vox depantsing&#8230;not that he&#8217;d admit it or provide a rebuttal of his own. Since he&#8217;s Dawkins &#8220;flea&#8221;, and you&#8217;re his, is Dawkins yours?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TIA is, truly, one of the worst books I have ever read. On every possible formal ground, it utterly fails. He jumps from topic to topic, drops red herrings like crazy, and individual sentences contradict themselves (though I admit these contradictions arise from poor writing and editing, rather than failures of thought).

Vox is obviously an intelligent guy, but his intelligence is all raw.  He has only allowed his mind to be shaped by those who he already agreed with, and that is a terrible waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TIA is, truly, one of the worst books I have ever read. On every possible formal ground, it utterly fails. He jumps from topic to topic, drops red herrings like crazy, and individual sentences contradict themselves (though I admit these contradictions arise from poor writing and editing, rather than failures of thought).</p>
<p>Vox is obviously an intelligent guy, but his intelligence is all raw.  He has only allowed his mind to be shaped by those who he already agreed with, and that is a terrible waste.</p>
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		<title>By: Freidenker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freidenker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hereby chime in all the other congratulators. Very well played. This blog is a tiny beacon of reason in an ocean of ignorance.</description>
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		<title>By: Galloway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Galloway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VD: &quot;Reason is no substitute for religion; it can never be. &quot;

Convoluted logic at its best. Turn it around 180º  to make it correct: Religion is no substitute for reason; it can never be.


VD: &quot;Rev 22:20-21&quot; : &quot;He who testifies to these things says &quot; Surely I am coming quickly. . . &quot;


Quickly ? 2000+ years and counting. The religious man reads this and has no problem with &#039;quickly&#039; = 2000 years. The &#039;rational&#039; man reads this and concludes: false prophesy.


Deacon Duncan: &quot;I&#039;ve read worse books, but not many , and very few that I would have bothered reading through to the end. Fortunately, it’s over now, and if my insignificant contribution spares even one person the time they might otherwise have wasted on it, then it will have been worth the effort.&quot;

 
It was like watching an impending train wreck. You know it&#039;s going to be bad, but you just can&#039;t turn away. Deacon, your astute analysis made Vox&#039;s book enjoyable to me because I couldn&#039;t wait for you to take vox apart, point by point. Thank you Deacon for a penetrating and sometimes profound dissection of Vox&#039;s convoluted logic. When the book first came out, no skeptic would touch it. Brent Rasmussen ran up the white flag early. PZ Meyers chose to ignore it. Dawkins, Harris, Dennett, etc. little, if any, response. You and you alone took on Vox Day head-on , point-by-point, chapter-by-chapter and IMHO , you won. No small victory - Vox is smart and can be philosophically complex.Vox complains a lot about PZ and the big 3 refusing to debate him. I think you could take him. (Vox may think so too - probably why he has ignored your review. ) Great job !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VD: &#8220;Reason is no substitute for religion; it can never be. &#8221;</p>
<p>Convoluted logic at its best. Turn it around 180º  to make it correct: Religion is no substitute for reason; it can never be.</p>
<p>VD: &#8220;Rev 22:20-21&#8243; : &#8220;He who testifies to these things says &#8221; Surely I am coming quickly. . . &#8221;</p>
<p>Quickly ? 2000+ years and counting. The religious man reads this and has no problem with &#8216;quickly&#8217; = 2000 years. The &#8216;rational&#8217; man reads this and concludes: false prophesy.</p>
<p>Deacon Duncan: &#8220;I&#8217;ve read worse books, but not many , and very few that I would have bothered reading through to the end. Fortunately, it’s over now, and if my insignificant contribution spares even one person the time they might otherwise have wasted on it, then it will have been worth the effort.&#8221;</p>
<p>It was like watching an impending train wreck. You know it&#8217;s going to be bad, but you just can&#8217;t turn away. Deacon, your astute analysis made Vox&#8217;s book enjoyable to me because I couldn&#8217;t wait for you to take vox apart, point by point. Thank you Deacon for a penetrating and sometimes profound dissection of Vox&#8217;s convoluted logic. When the book first came out, no skeptic would touch it. Brent Rasmussen ran up the white flag early. PZ Meyers chose to ignore it. Dawkins, Harris, Dennett, etc. little, if any, response. You and you alone took on Vox Day head-on , point-by-point, chapter-by-chapter and IMHO , you won. No small victory &#8211; Vox is smart and can be philosophically complex.Vox complains a lot about PZ and the big 3 refusing to debate him. I think you could take him. (Vox may think so too &#8211; probably why he has ignored your review. ) Great job !</p>
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		<title>By: Nemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez, what kind of Christian believes in the Singularity?</description>
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		<title>By: harebell</title>
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		<dc:creator>harebell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weird logic by VD because Kaka was in fact a player in 2005. 
His god thought so highly of his level of devotion then that he allowed Milan to ease to a 3-0 lead at the half only to let Liverpool score 3 in the second half and beat the Italians after extra time in a penalty shoot out.
To me, it would appear that Kaka&#039;s god is a sadistic petty bastard with an evil sense of humour. But I didn&#039;t hear Kaka give the big man upstairs the credit for losing that one. Maybe he didn&#039;t have his magic t-shirt on or maybe god was too busy working on who would win all the high school basketball/football games in the USA at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weird logic by VD because Kaka was in fact a player in 2005.<br />
His god thought so highly of his level of devotion then that he allowed Milan to ease to a 3-0 lead at the half only to let Liverpool score 3 in the second half and beat the Italians after extra time in a penalty shoot out.<br />
To me, it would appear that Kaka&#8217;s god is a sadistic petty bastard with an evil sense of humour. But I didn&#8217;t hear Kaka give the big man upstairs the credit for losing that one. Maybe he didn&#8217;t have his magic t-shirt on or maybe god was too busy working on who would win all the high school basketball/football games in the USA at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: John Morales</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Morales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rapier-like snark skillfully and lightly wielded.  Nice.

Yes, in my simplistic, sub-Mensa opinion, I find the Deacon is honest, modest, cogent and direct - the antithesis of VD.
So it&#039;s with no sense of hypocrisy that I write this:
VD: &lt;blockquote&gt;What the Unholy Trinity have failed to take into account in constructing their collective case against religion is the fact that Man is not, and never will be, entirely rational. &lt;/blockquote&gt;Such misplaced arrogance, to foolishly patronise his betters.  Heh.

Deacon, I have before and will no doubt again point others to your TIA posts when the issue arises.
I doff my (metaphorical) hat to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rapier-like snark skillfully and lightly wielded.  Nice.</p>
<p>Yes, in my simplistic, sub-Mensa opinion, I find the Deacon is honest, modest, cogent and direct &#8211; the antithesis of VD.<br />
So it&#8217;s with no sense of hypocrisy that I write this:<br />
VD:<br />
<blockquote>What the Unholy Trinity have failed to take into account in constructing their collective case against religion is the fact that Man is not, and never will be, entirely rational. </p></blockquote>
<p>Such misplaced arrogance, to foolishly patronise his betters.  Heh.</p>
<p>Deacon, I have before and will no doubt again point others to your TIA posts when the issue arises.<br />
I doff my (metaphorical) hat to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the end of an era.  Vox Day led me to this site.  Sigh.

Let the record show that I came for the Vox, but I&#039;m staying for the modus ponens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the end of an era.  Vox Day led me to this site.  Sigh.</p>
<p>Let the record show that I came for the Vox, but I&#8217;m staying for the modus ponens.</p>
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		<title>By: pboyfloyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>pboyfloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moral?

Two triumphant endings are better than one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moral?</p>
<p>Two triumphant endings are better than one?</p>
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