Comments on: Grim to the end http://blog.evangelicalrealism.com/2008/07/14/grim-to-the-end/ The theology of Reality Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:49:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: yoyo http://blog.evangelicalrealism.com/2008/07/14/grim-to-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-978 yoyo Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:43:23 +0000 http://blog.evangelicalrealism.com/?p=398#comment-978 I thought this was a good response to Grimms argument, unfortunately it wont change his ideas one iota. leaving aside free will for just a second, the whole "OT is just preparation for the new times" argument makes their god a very strange and profligate beastie. I thought this was a good response to Grimms argument, unfortunately it wont change his ideas one iota. leaving aside free will for just a second, the whole “OT is just preparation for the new times” argument makes their god a very strange and profligate beastie.

]]> By: Chigliakus http://blog.evangelicalrealism.com/2008/07/14/grim-to-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-977 Chigliakus Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:27:46 +0000 http://blog.evangelicalrealism.com/?p=398#comment-977 I'm not really sure if the good Deacon believes in free will or not, he hasn't taken any of the bait in the comments section, that's for sure. I do know that a fair number of my atheist friends cling to their belief in free will long after they've stopped believing in god. Many people don't seem to understand that whether free will exists or not, it really doesn't change much with how you live your life. I’m not really sure if the good Deacon believes in free will or not, he hasn’t taken any of the bait in the comments section, that’s for sure. I do know that a fair number of my atheist friends cling to their belief in free will long after they’ve stopped believing in god. Many people don’t seem to understand that whether free will exists or not, it really doesn’t change much with how you live your life.

]]> By: B8ovin http://blog.evangelicalrealism.com/2008/07/14/grim-to-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-975 B8ovin Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:05:39 +0000 http://blog.evangelicalrealism.com/?p=398#comment-975 Jim, I know what you're saying about the thrust of Grim's argument, but I don't think Duncan is limited in his response. Though Grim seems determined to advance only theistic relevance, I think our esteemed blog host can put forth any variety of rebuttal. I'd also like to add behavioral science to the list of disciplines that argue against "free will" particularly in areas of religion, or at least, that free will is the first sacrifice when one surrenders to the "madness of the crowd". Jim, I know what you’re saying about the thrust of Grim’s argument, but I don’t think Duncan is limited in his response. Though Grim seems determined to advance only theistic relevance, I think our esteemed blog host can put forth any variety of rebuttal.
I’d also like to add behavioral science to the list of disciplines that argue against “free will” particularly in areas of religion, or at least, that free will is the first sacrifice when one surrenders to the “madness of the crowd”.

]]> By: jim http://blog.evangelicalrealism.com/2008/07/14/grim-to-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-972 jim Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:38:01 +0000 http://blog.evangelicalrealism.com/?p=398#comment-972 I agree, B8ovin; from a scientific as well as a philosophical standpoint, freewill seems to be a fantasy all around. There are some great articles on the subject over at Naturalism.org...though, I think that's a separate argument. I agree, B8ovin; from a scientific as well as a philosophical standpoint, freewill seems to be a fantasy all around. There are some great articles on the subject over at Naturalism.org…though, I think that’s a separate argument.

]]> By: B8ovin http://blog.evangelicalrealism.com/2008/07/14/grim-to-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-971 B8ovin Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:28:26 +0000 http://blog.evangelicalrealism.com/?p=398#comment-971 While I appreciate your attempt to refute Grim's fairy tales by showing their internal logical inconsistencies, I personally don't employ the theistic centered argument alone. Granted, Grim's post dealt only in the realm of biblical and theistic theory, but there are plenty of scientific rebuttals as well, that would argue against free will in relation to religion. I won't present those arguments in detail because I think you and your readers probably know them. I will say, however, that it seems the height of hypocrisy for adherents to talk about free will. While I appreciate your attempt to refute Grim’s fairy tales by showing their internal logical inconsistencies, I personally don’t employ the theistic centered argument alone. Granted, Grim’s post dealt only in the realm of biblical and theistic theory, but there are plenty of scientific rebuttals as well, that would argue against free will in relation to religion. I won’t present those arguments in detail because I think you and your readers probably know them. I will say, however, that it seems the height of hypocrisy for adherents to talk about free will.

]]> By: kennyb http://blog.evangelicalrealism.com/2008/07/14/grim-to-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-967 kennyb Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:11:17 +0000 http://blog.evangelicalrealism.com/?p=398#comment-967 According to christian theology, the purpose of free will is to make true, freely given bonding (communion) possible. I bond with my children through continuous, present experience. Their daily presence and communication does not overwhelm my "faith" in them. Am I supposed to instead love a family that "acted" 2000 years ago? According to christian theology, the purpose of free will is to make true, freely given bonding (communion) possible. I bond with my children through continuous, present experience. Their daily presence and communication does not overwhelm my “faith” in them. Am I supposed to instead love a family that “acted” 2000 years ago?

]]> By: jim http://blog.evangelicalrealism.com/2008/07/14/grim-to-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-965 jim Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:01:12 +0000 http://blog.evangelicalrealism.com/?p=398#comment-965 So, when God sacrificed His One Son, He then rolled down His sleeves, and was done??? Now, He'll watch from a distance, offering no assistance, and then burn us in Hell...just for fun. 'Course, it's OUR fault, for not lending ear to His silent reproach, for it's clear that He's made His will known in a dusty old tome and ONCE in a corn chip (so I hear). So, when God sacrificed His One Son,
He then rolled down His sleeves, and was done???
Now, He’ll watch from a distance,
offering no assistance,
and then burn us in Hell…just for fun.

‘Course, it’s OUR fault, for not lending ear
to His silent reproach, for it’s clear
that He’s made His will known
in a dusty old tome
and ONCE in a corn chip (so I hear).

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